A good finish will help slow down seasonal movement and that should put less stress on the joints. Now I need to figu…, Hi Paul, Your newer benches have not had end of the bench tills (drawers), is there a reason why? Want to stay up to date with Paul's blog? I normally use II and III. In that case it relies on constant application of a veneer hammer back and forth for much, much longer until ‘glue grab’ takes place or you use cauls or you use a vacuum bag. I use titebond original woodglue for paper mâché. December might be a tip off of at least some issues to explore…either with the material or the glue. On Titebond’s Web site, it states, Titebond II Strength 3750 psi Wood failure rate 72% I recently bought Titebond 3 under the assumption (but mostly by recommendation) that it was a great WATERPROOF glue as claimed, but then later found that it’s “Not for continuous submersion or for use below the waterline.” Personally, I don’t see how something can be considered or marketed as ‘waterproof’ if it doesn’t fully fit that description, so I was mislead…and so were my friends who highly recommended it. I will be using 2″ x 6″ x 8′ lumber, and the bench will be 3′ x 96″. As an example, you leave your guitar in a hot car, the bridge will often pull off with Titebond, as the glue softens with heat. Or other suggestions on how to strengthen the joints? For furniture restoration, this glue gives us a ready-to-go glue that I find highly suited for all types of furniture repair and I would not hesitate to use it on any old pieces. The repair went well and is holding up. So any type of decision requires cost-benefit analysis. Unlike most all other glues, hide glue is readily split along its glue-line if and when necessary. This characteristic then allows maker-repairer to separate the components by shock-splitting along any glue lines, often using no more than a thin knife tapped with a hammer to split one part from another. Other repairs use what we call patches. This website uses cookies to store information on your computer. Titebond Genuine Hide Glue. I purchased the Titebond Hide Glue for this, as I will need plenty of working time – the veneered area will be 27″ x 48.”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate, http://www.rockler.com/titebon.....?sid=AFN86, http://www.dap.com/product_det.....duct_id=43, http://www.jamestowndistributo.....;page=GRID. OK, semi newby here, and I’m hoping you can help me make a wise/informed decision! I’d like to roll on the glue to each surface so I’d need a bit of setup time. To: “The Lonely Guy Out There Reading Down This Thread Getting All Worked Up About Glue”. Hopefully there are some happy ending stories out there to cool my nerves :). And they deal with issue 4 as well. I and II look the same, while III is a semi-ugly dark brown. My question is do we need to be concerned with the glue separating during our extreme temperature fluctuations here in the high desert – 0 – 50 or 60 degrees in a couple hours as the sun rises? I’m up the hill in Flagstaff. My post was just to highlight the less than desirable aspects of the combination, especially in structural applications. You can often bring them back to life by heating them in a microwave for a minute or so on the defrost setting. Titebond makes outstanding adhesives, but I would never recommend their hide glue. I have been using old brown glue and they say that there is no difference between titebond’s liquid hide and old brown but my question to you is that old brown glue must be placed in hot water from the tap and fully emerged does the same hold true for titebond. I found it for pennies more than II, which I usually use, and got curious about the open time and color, which landed me here. I have only used TB 2 on any of my projects. I can definitely say that I notice a darker glue line from TBIII. It helps me think clearly (just the way I am). You might be able to reduce it to almost nothing though if you actually wash the surface prior to the glue skinning over with a clean wet cotton cloth. I sealed the bottom of the posts where it was going into the concrete. If you use Titebond, which is a very good glue, you will never be able to take the fiddle apart if it needs work done in the future. I’d like not to clean all drips. Everyone has a twin in this world, religion say’s Eve gave birth to twins one male and one female at every birth so I guess that’s why we all have a twin some where out there…. TiteBond III is very water resistant, even passing the WBP type one test (again just barely). TiteBond III does pass the type 1 WBP test, but just barely. If not then what will stick to it and also what kind of preparation of the joint will be needed? it seems to be pretty strong and I’ve not had any issues with it. The first one you probably already noticed is the price. Another great response, Marc, and very helpful to us newbies. If thickened, shake vigorously by firmly tapping bottle on a hard surface until product is restored to original form.”. And then I used TB II on a project where TB III would have been stronger. Would you go with an epoxy for this project? I need the water resistance and strength it offers (for cedar porch swing consyruction) and I can’t find whereTitebond Extend is water resistant or as strong as TB III. Reply. Given this, please assume that any links leading you to products or services are affiliate links that we will receive compensation from. Would Old Brown Glue be any dofferent? Should Titebond Original become thick and stringy, or Titebond II turns into an orange colored gel, these changes signify that the glue is no longer usable. If looking for a quality, non-amine cure epoxy (non-blushing, less reactive to people), try Raka or one of the products at Progressive Polymers. Yikes! Since I try to save money when I can I normally buy Titebond I and only when I am really worried about the glue line showing up in dark wood I use Titebond III. The views and opinions expressed on this blog are purely our own. Thanks Marc, I”ll try the epoxy, but which type would you recomend? The glue can develop a bond stronger than the wood itself, offers ideal sandability and is unaffected by finishes to keep you working without pause. By using our website you accept the terms of our Privacy Policy. Aliphatic resin is amongst the most popular woodworkers glue used in instrument building and repair today. With the hide glue, I can soften with warm water and wipe up any glue residue. After reading through all these excellent threads, I am still confused a bit about Titebond III. Thank you! I’m on the Tite Bond 3 train, doesn’t hurt to cover all your bases. Titebond ® Liquid Hide Glue includes an expiration date on the bottle, because it can progressively lose its ability to dry hard, and this change is not visually obvious. It’s the only time I’ve bought it as a result. Yeah, people have already said it, but the last major difference is color. Sometime when you have the opportunity, experiment with hide glue. If I build an outdoor project I use Titebond III. I left a unopened gallon jug of TB I on a shelf over the winter and it was a thick unusable glob when I opened it in the spring. If a previously glued joint comes loose, PVA glue does not bond effectively because the pores are clogged, which makes for a weak joint. I’m in a situation that is the opposite of most, I need a glue that sets up quickly. Titebond II – 1750 psi I’m getting close to finally finishing the workbench. There is only one joint that connects the neck to the main body on these traditional bowed instruments. The industry leader is West System, but you’ll pay through the nose for this stuff. Don’t believe me read their specs, but I was told directly from the horses mouth their tech department. Titebond allows much longer working time and the titebond hide glue is supposed to give more working time. Though to be fair, I too have had a few problems using TB3 to glue up end grain, having it leave dark spots. Is one really better than another? Titebond Original and Titebond II lose about 50% of their strength at 150. I will be making some segmented pen blanks and part of the segmentation will be a layer of aluminum between the wood pieces. I found the bullet with my planer while prepping rough stock. Well Paul I’ve read it and you’ve answered one question for me but now only time will tell just how good or poor this glue is. Titebond No-Run, No-Drip Wood Glue. Titebond II Dark Wood Glue. The minimum shelf life of Titebond III is stated as one year, when stored appropriately at room temperature. The image is impressed on my mind. (and if not, then is an epoxy glue a good candidate). Titebond Liquid Hide provides superior creep-resistance, offers excellent sand-ability and is unaffected by finishes. But if you read these comments and you want to be extra safe (after all, its a kid’s swing set), I think TBIII is a better way to go. The second difference is water resistance. Even in low temperatures, the open time was sufficient for assembly. Supposedly the II and III are not good for instrument building. But some luthiers seem to have good results with TB 1. Get it as soon as Fri, Jan 15. As soon as my gallon jug of West Systems runs out I’ll be ready to try something new. The last paddles I made were not birdsmouth, though they where hollow. So if you have a project that will be exposed to light water (cutting boards, outdoor furniture, etc..), Titebond II will suffice. Sold as the wood glue that fits industrial use in woodworking projects, Titebond is another one of the best and strongest glues that I came across. I don’t use all that much so cost is not big issue, I also wonder if it’s shlf life is up, who knows how long it’s been sitting on the shelves prior to my own purchase. Even though glue joints can be as strong as the wood, for outdoor applications gluing AND screwing is often the best way to go. It’s night fall now and the temperature has fallen significantly, the glue has hardened up but still not rock solid. Not sure what I’m going to do my only alternative if it was possible would be to heat it up and pull it apart but it’s mortise and through tenons I just might end up breaking it. I think the name (hide glue) gives it a bad rap, and keeps its use from growing. Got plenty of deck screws in there too, but the thing was rock solid with glue before I added the screws. Wood glue needs to be absorbed into the fibers in order for it to have the strongest bond. It was stated that the III would hold up better in the dishwasher, then it was stated that the III loses 80% of its strength at 150F. Details of the cookies we use and what you can do to switch them off are are in our Privacy Policy. If it is humid it will affect the glue. You are a real treasure for so many of us who have not had the access to real woodworking traditions as in your country. This is a first choice for wood glue when I don't need it to be waterproof. I work with several adhesives in yacht building, restoration and repair. I’ve measured the temp. This is true of System Three as well, though System Three’s standard resin/hardener combinations are slightly more refined then West System. Well it is different in that cure is not dependent on cooling as with traditional hide glue that cools under the veneer hammer. I appreciate your tips on clamping pressure and using a mixture of laminate materials, it’s pretty much what I was expecting to hear. If you have a project that will be submerged for short periods or exposed to ambient moisture for extended periods, consider Titebond III. Man I never would have thought to bring the glue into the house, I’m reminded now why I read TWW. You can coat the whole project with a good quality outdoor varnish, but that’s not really going to strengthen you joints. So I wanted to something almost as strong and rugged as PVC but not the astronomical price (treated lumber post 4X4X12: $17.00, PVC fence sleeve with metal support post: $70). In the winter the lower working temp is also a plus for III. So…how can I extend the working time of Titebond III? from $6.04 (24) Resin Brace Gluing Wedge. I have heard that spackle will pop out of the holes in time. I’m working with Western Red Cedar and I have lots of glue joints. I went through the very scientific approach of picking a glue by watching as many videos as possible of woodworkers, and paid attention to what color the label was on the glue bottle they used. It’s not convenient all the time, but with judicious planning you will enjoy it. A blow dryer, heat gun or the steam from an iron may be able to weaken the bond of Titebond Original and Titebond II glue. The problem with a previously-glued joint is there’s probably still glue on the surfaces. Really the titebond III isn’t that much more expensive to be 100% sure there will be no problems!! Is this still possible, or is a two part marine epoxy my best/only alternative? And that’s how I do it at My Old House! The parts are small, and could be soaked in water, if that is advisable. I think we are in a climate that represents the best case scenario for indoor furniture. The glue line can be colored or left clear, it’s not necessary (nor desired) to have lots of clamping pressure, it doesn’t need perfect joint fits and best of all, it is absolutely waterproof. i bought the stuff because it was supposed to be the ultimate glue and it was on sale at the time so i went with it thinking that it couldn’t hurt to go with the best. Fresh animal glue is the best way to go for a traditional glue that you may need to disassemble in the future. oz. But I read a bunch of alarming skin exposure warnings on the titebond site. Hide glue can be split along its glue line and usually separates without removing or splitting the actual wood (but there are surprises and no guarantees} PVA on the other hand boasts that the glue is stronger than the wood and the wood always seems to split and not the glue. The stuff is very pricey and I had never used it before. 03-27-2017 10:23 AM. As I mentioned previously, my (and others) tests show the usually available epoxies, don’t stick well to PVA’s like TiteBond. I couldn’t find a place for a question, so I’m posting my question here. I am cautious not say that this matches the original hot hide glue but I still think it is a good alternative for certain work. Get his weekly digest delivered straight to your inbox. Temperatures range from 30 deg C (90%humidity) to -30 deg C (15% humidity). What a simp…. These will nurse you through the techniques and various materials. What is the effect of cold and heat on the shelf life of the different Titebonds? Paul Sellers & Company Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales with the company number 10347569. Heat and humidity in the Houston area is hard to deal with on shelf life especially if you have senior moments and forget to bring the glue inside. The primary issues have been noted, with creep being a real problem with all the PVA’s. I’m a luthier and use TBI for most of a guitar’s construction. Most furniture over a hundred years old will most likely be held together with hide glue and that statistic means hundreds of millions of pieces. Sellers remembers a recipe/procedure for making up hide glue. Thanks for the info Marc. I use it any time I have a more complex glue-up. I may not always live in Phoenix, so better safe than sorry. I also need to pare back on some tools, but the tidying up so I c…, Just yesterday I was working out of my chisel tray and thinking what would be a better way. Your email address will not be published. i guess a third reason could be that lutherie is rarely prone to change. There are formulations that work with the same physical properties, but are much more difficult to blush and less reactive to people. TiteBond III does pass this test (just barely), but epoxy doesn’t. $33.02 (1) Titebond III Ultimate Wood Glue. In a pinch, you can use epoxy. Glue isn’t a great filler. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thank you! It doesn’t mean epoxy isn’t waterproof, but it does mean you shouldn’t park a boat, glued together with epoxy over an active underwater volcano, or some delamination might result. It stays hard until actually melted. Lastly in regard to resorcinol is the often objectionable glue line color. Everything is still very solid, I have just applied my second coat and 24 hrs later will be my third and final. Product Overview. Lastly, have a look into birdsmouth construction techniques. $7.69 (15) StewMac Super Glue Starter Package. Is there any real significant difference between Titebond Original, II, and III wood glues? FREE Shipping on orders over $25 shipped by Amazon. Titebond 3 sounds like it will NOT give me the degree of waterproofing I need, but I was still hoping to be able to utilize some type of non-catalyzed one step glue…(for both ease of use, and to minimize waste). That’s what I will buy from now on, plus it has a longer set time which in most cases is desirable. Also, though West System is the industry leader, it’s also very highly priced for what it is. Cyanoacrylate or CA glue on the other hand is has passed submersion tests for the equivalent of 10 years and has a 2 year shelf life. :->. For anyone who turns pens the CA glue is ideal for gluing the brass tubes into your blanks before turning. Titebond Polyurethane Glue. I worked in a cabinet shop for years and that was the only glue we used. I’m not a big fan of Gorilla glue because of the foaming — you have to keep wiping it for about half an hour — but it does have it’s uses. I now keep all adhesives inside, but is cold that detrimental to all glues? I had the same thing happen to me with the only bottle I’ve ever bought, but it happened in a few months. I use a junk chisel to lightly scrape up the squeeze out right when I glue flat things now and haven’t had a problem since. I need some help. Titebond II @ 150F Strength 1750 psi Wood failure rate 6%, Titebond III Strength 4000 psi Wood failure rate 57% , http: //www.rockler.com/titebon.....? sid=AFN86, http: //www.epoxyproducts.com and the time. Add to Cart the air the physical parameters you need to be strong and reliable bond using any of glues! Old boy, so I bought a very small outdoor repair and all bottles., excellent for many furniture projects as it shrinks back down and pulls veneer. To strengthen the joints and have applied it to my latest clock had used... 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